The Iran NIE, The Iraq NIE, And Accountability For All.

Two weeks ago, there was a stunning admission contained in a National Intelligence Estimate about Iran. NIE's represent the composite view of all 16 American spy agencies' they are not the views of rogue agents or analysts but comprehensive collective views of opinion.

As such, when they make a declaration, it is usually absolutely correct.

This is how the New York Times reported the findings:

WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 -- A new assessment by American intelligence agencies concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.

The subsequent fall-out from the report, and the fact that the current administration was either willfully ignoring the details within the report, or had never bothered to read it was shocking.

Pundits and bloggers everywhere demanded accountability on behalf of the administration - how is it possible they screamed in bigger and bigger type with more and more words like &*&_& in the headlines.

One of the most distasteful, and frankly useless, political traits the pot calling the kettle black.

So at the risk of offending all of my friends with Senator Clinton's and Edward's campaigns, let's got back to fall of 2002 when the Iraq War vote was pending.

As I have written before, I like to claim that the Iraq War vote was 6-94 . What do I mean?

Well, just as the Iranian NIE prevented the rush to war, there was a classified NIE on Iraq that say under lock and key for Senators only to read prior to the vote.

Like the Iranian NIE, the Iraq NIE was the view of all 16 spy agencies though, rumor has it, there was some disagreement among the agencies that was contained in the report.

What was in it? Well, the vast majority of that NIE is still classified, so allow me to quote one of the six Senators who did actually read the report, Senator Bob Graham of Florida.

Senator Graham read the report and went to the Senate Floor where he stated:

"Friends, I encourage you to read the classified intelligence reports which are much sharper than what is available in declassified form.... We are going to be increasing the threat level against the people of the United States. Blood is going to be on your hands."

Only Six Senators read the report - SIX.

Here's what the rest claim.

<u>I was briefed on what was in the NIE by my staff, my advisors, my dog.</u>

Well, this is false.

Because no staffer was allowed to see the classified NIE, principals only.

Clearly, like the Iranian NIE, the Iraq NIE painted a different picture than what was being spun by  The White House.

Perhaps the NIE contained information that, if the majority of Senators had actually read, they would have voted against the war. As simple as that.

They would have done their duty. Not even their duty to be honest, but their job at its most basic level.

So here's the moment where Democrats should consider accountability as they look towards 2008.

Neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Edwards bothered to walk downstairs at the US Senate, sign in and read the classified NIE before they voted for the war.

I could, to be honest, forgive them for voting for the war if they had read the intelligence, but as we demand accountability from everyone else, shouldn't we demand it from our own representatives?

It's a simple question.

Prior to voting for the Iraq War, did you read the NIE on Iraq?

It's a yes or no question.

Sadly, both John Edwards and Hillary Clinton have to answer 'no.'



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Re: The Iran NIE, The Iraq NIE, And Accountability (none / 0)

Try focusing on the bigger point, for a change.

The NIE is wrong. Israel says so. France says so. Germany says so. And quite frankly, our intelligence has been so awful, I trust Israel more than us.

Second -- rather than focusing on the past, where Obama has lied about and distorted his position on Iraq, focus on the future, and Obama's inept, inexperienced, idiotic position on Iran.

Israel and the Arab league are working on concert to idolate the Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hezbollah nexxus, that has started a war with Israel, an uprising in Gaza, assassinated nationalist Lebanese politicians and undermined that nation's sovereignty.

So what does Obama want to do? Sit down, unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, elevate him to the World Leader and Pan-Arab Nationalist Supreme and undermine the diplomatic efforts of our allies who are already doing what Obama says needs to be done.

If people could focus on the situation as a whole, and not just cherry pick tidbits that reinforce a present, distorted view based on misinformation and propaganda, they would see why Obama is the only guy spouting this nonsense and why everybody else is calling him for being the incompetent imbecile that he is.


"What do Barack Obama and David Koresh have in common? Too god damn much."
by ThinkingDem on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 10:28:40 AM EST

HRC and Edwards- Pro Iraq War candidates (none / 0)

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Clinton and Edwards are complicit in assisting Bush in the invasion of Iraq.
And even worse..they were either negligent,lazy or calculating when deciding to send 4000 americans to their death,80,000 to hospitals, and a million iraqis to their death.

To not bother to walk downstairs and read the NIE before sponsoring or voting for the AUMF is almost criminal.
Either the democratic party is anti-Iraq war or it is pro-Iraq war..
the choice is simple and stark
Pro -war.. vote for HRC,edwards,Biden,Dodd,Richardson
Anti-war..vote for

Kucinich,Obama or Gravel

What's it going be, dems?


by hawkjt on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 01:34:04 PM EST

Re: The Iran NIE, The Iraq NIE, And Accountability (none / 0)

The Iraq NIE to the side, I still have a hard time with the fact that no one in Bush's camp told him to quiet down with the WWIII comments until they had a better estimate of what Iran was actually doing. I work for Council for a Livable World and we just put out a video about the NIE and Bush Iran war hype. We don't have a million dollar budget and it's not produced by a real videographer, but it definitely gets the point across. Check it out here: http://www.clw.org/policy/iran/resources clippings/drums_of_war.


by ahoffman on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 02:44:19 PM EST


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